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Just finished Birdsong and thought it was very moving,it made me want to look into the whole WW1 issue a lot deeper,especially the bad leadership that cost our young soldiers so many needless lives.Came across an excellent book "Donkeys" by the late Alan Clarke M.P,would recommend it.


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Some caves have just been opened in France........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7384227.stm


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i feel so sad when i read the history of WW1 it is so heart breaking the stupidity of it all,Wilfred owen is the man if you want to read how it was in poetry form

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I haven't got very far with any of the poets.......... I get too tearful and then can't see what I'm reading............ :oops: :?


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clear your mind its necessary when reading Owen or you will be in bits its the stone cold truth

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'Oh! Jesus Christ! I'm hit,' he said; and died.
Whether he vainly cursed or prayed indeed,
The Bullets chirped-In vain, vain, vain!
Machine-guns chuckled,-Tut-tut! Tut-tut!
And the Big Gun guffawed.


Another sighed,-'O Mother, -Mother, - Dad!'
Then smiled at nothing, childlike, being dead.
And the lofty Shrapnel-cloud
Leisurely gestured,-Fool!
And the splinters spat, and tittered.


'My Love!' one moaned. Love-languid seemed his mood,
Till slowly lowered, his whole faced kissed the mud.
And the Bayonets' long teeth grinned;
Rabbles of Shells hooted and groaned;
And the Gas hissed.

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I remember going round the Battlefields of Belgium and France, to go to a place like Tyne Cott where the Somme was fought and the Douaumont ossuary in Verdun, the humanity of it all just hits home in the most painful way.

Such a despicable, appalling waste. All those people killed for no reason. A callous abuse of power by three members of the same family over their own egos. A visit there makes you fully aware that the idea of seeing ourselves as all being different nations and groups is just ridiculous, we are all people and we should never forget it.

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I haven't got very far with any of the poets.......... I get too tearful and then can't see what I'm reading............ :oops: :?


The War Poets are amazing to read; so succinct and descriptive. I have collected most of their works - particularly Rupert Brooke and Wilfred Owen. M&S have/had a pocket book of war poems that is a really good introduction to their work. If I can dig it out, I'll lend it to you Baroness

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Thats very kind, thanks Jan! :wink:


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Yeah.............we spent the day at' Oradour-Sur- Glane'....the preserved martyred village in France.............it's incredible................it was one of the best things I have ever done.


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Probably should have posted this in Culture Corner - but I've just bought this CD and for anyone who enjoys the war poets, it makes a change from music in the car:

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'Oh! Jesus Christ! I'm hit,' he said; and died.
Whether he vainly cursed or prayed indeed,
The Bullets chirped-In vain, vain, vain!
Machine-guns chuckled,-Tut-tut! Tut-tut!
And the Big Gun guffawed.


Another sighed,-'O Mother, -Mother, - Dad!'
Then smiled at nothing, childlike, being dead.
And the lofty Shrapnel-cloud
Leisurely gestured,-Fool!
And the splinters spat, and tittered.


'My Love!' one moaned. Love-languid seemed his mood,
Till slowly lowered, his whole faced kissed the mud.
And the Bayonets' long teeth grinned;
Rabbles of Shells hooted and groaned;
And the Gas hissed.


Very explicit, descriptive words that really paint an awful picture of what it must have been like..............................I love poetry but ashamed to say never read any of the war poets........................................


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There is a new book out (I read a review yesterday) which focuses on the "lighter" side of WWI trench life - the authors were both infantrymen during WW1. It's a dictionary of Tommies' songs and slang and apparently is quite bawdy in places........... sounds interesting! :*:

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jane wrote:
Very explicit, descriptive words that really paint an awful picture of what it must have been like..............................I love poetry but ashamed to say never read any of the war poets........................................


Wildred Owen is my favourite; he's not generally regarded as a 'true' war poet as he was considerably younger than the other war poets. Because of that his work is all the more heart rending

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The Baroness wrote:
There is a new book out (I read a review yesterday) which focuses on the "lighter" side of WWI trench life - the authors were both infantrymen during WW1. It's a dictionary of Tommies' songs and slang and apparently is quite bawdy in places........... sounds interesting! :*:

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now that looks boss by the way i got that leadbelly book you found a link for me,its absolutely a cracking book thank you :wink:

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