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 Post subject: Tory conference
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:56 pm 
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Aggghhhhhhhhhhhhh! Their old Etonian smugness, their hideous women, the Goves, the Boris', the chinless, bigoted, little Englander bastards!

Today's little gem is to remove benefits from the under-25s. Not under 18s, or under 21s. But under 25s, all of whom are feckless and irresponsible and aspiring to a life of worklessness. Cos living on the dole is sooooo attractive. Let's punish them all for being young.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24369514

Fucking, fucking fuckers. x


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:28 pm 
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I had to turn the radio off and avoid the news for the rest of the day yesterday. I felt sick with rage. Education...til your 25...eh, how much :shock: Training.......til you're 25...for what? Work before you are 25.....yes please, that would be fantastic and what I wnat to do...oh, wait, no fucking jobs and, yes, you guessed it, the jobs that might exist render all that education and training meaningless...How many out of that million he quoted actually want to live a life on the dole? Don't be so fucking stupid. Nasty, nasty nasty conceited bigoted shit of a man. And of course their answer to everything is "make them worrk" for their "benefit". How about paying at the very least a minimum wage and calling it........er..yes, work or a "job". I saw him on the telly this morning and went all Trini Lopez...."If I had a hammer...."


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:17 pm 
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Me too, I can't bear it. And you are right, they are nasty, have a nasty, anti-human view of the world. Everybody's on the make, on the fiddle, is lazy, is useless. Earn or learn? Most of them do neither.

I look around at the world my boys are set to inherit and I could weep. A studio flat in the area in which they were born costs £200k. There is no such thing as a council flat. Private renting? £900 a month for a one bed flat. And jobs? The borough we live in has some of the country's highest levels of unemployment, kids achieve well at school but for what? To join the graduate unemployed or take a zero hour contract at a retail park. What hope do they have? And when they struggle and despair, they're demonized, called lazy, workshy, not worthy of benefits or the support of society.

People tell me society has progressed over my lifetime but I honestly can't see it. I too am full of rage about it all and so should we all be.

And to be told all this stuff by freakish, chinless mutants, who look like they've been made in a laboratory, the strange offshoots of some scientific experiment gone wrong, guffawing and lecturing us about values and belt tightening. I just hate them. x


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
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Did you see Medhi Hasan on Question last night, exapno? Cheered me up no end, as did the Brummies cheering him on from the audience. Maybe we're not fucked after all...x


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:28 am 
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I love people,I love the human race.......but not these people......are they human?.....they don't seem to grasp even the very very basics of what being a human being living in this country in 2013 needs...... They are totally alien to me..…rational thoughtfull leadership?with kindness and understanding that inspires?...not a chance with these evil evil aliens....god help us my love,it's not looking good

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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:19 am 
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See me, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, when I wrote the post, I sort of depressed myself!! But then I watched Question Time last night, which I usually don't bother with because you couldn't get a fag paper between the dross that normally appears on there. And then the guy from the Huffington Post was on there, and wiped the floor with the lot of the careerist, double speaking, sneering wankers. And more than that, the audience was wild for him, couldn't get enough of his passionate, articulate answers to these bastards. And suddenly, I was cheered up, maybe we're not doomed, maybe people are finally having enough and ready to do something about it.

Part of his performance is on their website:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10 ... 39900.html

But if you didn't see it, it's worth looking at Question Time again on the BBC, just for the responses that people gave the tosser from the Daily Mail and the reception Medhi Hasan got for standing up to him.

And so, fickle bitch that I am, today I'm more optimistic. And H, I too love humanity. I think, when push comes to shove, people do the right thing because people are essentially good. That's something I always say to my boys, regardless of what people do to you, always do what you think is right. Be happy with your values and challenge others to raise theirs.

Might be time for me to dig out my dungarees and get stuck in! xxxxx


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:34 am 
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Questions to all..........just to breed some life into a very quiet forum!

Are you happy with the alternatives?

Are you happy to vote for the alternatives truly believing in what they say and stand for?

100%?

Are you happy to vote for the alternatives just to get these 'fuckers' out?

Aren't they all as bad as each other in one way or another?

Can any of them be trusted to deliver what they promise?

Haven't and aren't all the conferences just a sales pitch?

You can put 2 + 2 together if you like but you'll be wrong! I just like throwing the odd hand grenade in
now and again! Think I did it on here before with dogs.......shit machines!

Got it from the master.......My dad.....GRHS.

Enjoy! :P


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:15 pm 
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I thought the best point made on the programme last night was about the fictitious notion of the middle ground. All the politicians are striving to please the middle ground but does the middle ground really exist?

People may say that, as a socialist, I am a dinosaur from another time, an age of idealism that doesn't exist anymore. But I thought the really interesting thing about the debate last night was Medhi Hasan's point about social attitudes. Apart from on the issue of immigration, where people are generally quite bigoted and to the right of most of the mainstream parties, on most other issues people are way to the left of the mainstream political parties. When asked, people support the NHS and don't want it privatised; they agree with renationalisation of the railways and energy companies; they don't agree with privatising Royal Mail; the proportion of people who believe benefit cuts would damage too many people's lives is on the up; more and more people disagree with the statement that the unemployed could get a job if they really want one; more people say they are interested in politics than at any time in the last 30 years; only 18 per cent of the population believe that the government regularly places the country's needs over their own party's; only two out of ten people say they trust the banks.

These are the facts. I am not happy with the alternative to the Tories because Labour don't go far enough. If they fell in step with what most people believe, the Daily Mail and it's revolting readership would go in to apoplexy! What I want is for Labour to listen to what people really want – they might find it's not so much different from what it's traditional heartland wants, what most of the members who have left in droves want, what those people who just don't vote at all really want.

I am not happy with the alternative but I am happy to campaign for the alternative to listen to the British people and turn the tide for my kids and their generation. x


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:10 pm 
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Egg wrote:
Are you happy to vote for the alternatives truly believing in what they say and stand for?

100%?


I voted Liberal last time - as I thought they were more socialist than Labour - what a ferookin' mistake that was...

Mind you our Tory MP didn't notice - his majority is still around 30,000 - just looked it up - and he's younger than me - bastard.

I doubt anyone can ally themselves 100% with on party - apart from the Ravin' Loony Faction.


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.................apart from the Ravin' Loony Faction.

Bollocks!...........Rumbled! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:33 pm 
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I seriously can't watch that sh*te.

Changes are being made to exam regulations and education by the hour - not thought through and changed on a whim, when someone says.."er...but...". At the moment, I feel as though I have no idea how to do my job as the goalposts are constantly shifting and the poor kids caught in the middle of this are just social guinea pigs. Bad times. Kick the F*ckers out.

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PS - Helen for Prime Minister.

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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
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Be careful what you wish for ........

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........Remember that not getting what you want can sometimes be a wonderful stroke of luck. :santa:

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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:32 pm 
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helenwatson wrote:
Did you see Medhi Hasan on Question last night, exapno? Cheered me up no end, as did the Brummies cheering him on from the audience. Maybe we're not fucked after all...x


Not seen it but will watch it now (used to devour Question Time and any political programmes but had to stop some years ago to stop all of my blood vessels popping at once).

None of the news interviewers ever ask simple questions like what job is available for...example from their own private knowledge (hmm maybe they are separated from this much reality too), and why is it that nobody ever asks, if it's ok to make people work for their benefit (should we say meagre assistance?) how is that not slavery? Why aren't they then paid a proper wage...and to get uber ridiculous...will they be zero hours contracts?

There are lots of people who think differently to those who see persecution as the only way, we just don't get to hear their voices very often on mainstream programming and never on the "tweet us your thoughts" style of broadcasting.

I get sick of people complaining because one set of workers have been given a small rise (cf NHS employees just this week) and them saying "well lucky them, I haven't this that and the other". It misses the whole point that whatever the scaremongering this country is dripping with wealth it just doesn't get distributed in any fair way.


Egg wrote:
Questions to all..........just to breed some life into a very quiet forum!

Are you happy with the alternatives?

Are you happy to vote for the alternatives truly believing in what they say and stand for?

100%?

Are you happy to vote for the alternatives just to get these 'fuckers' out?

Aren't they all as bad as each other in one way or another?

Can any of them be trusted to deliver what they promise?


Enjoy! :P


Voting is often for the "least bad" option or "hopefully the least bad" option - I think a lot of people who voted Liberal at the last election because they had some more radical policies had their hopes dashed. I voted Labour in many ways out of an old fashioned tribal loyalty, but also because, despite the shallow and hollow failures of the last Labour governments of Blair and Brown still has it's fingers hanging onto something a little different and one which is hopefully less worse than the Tory mindset.

If I had someone else to vote for I would do it but my options at the last election were Con, Lib, Lab, UKIP and BNP.....lush. And I can't not vote because people died to gain the vote and the reason we have any semblance of public services left, why we have any remainder of employment rights or a notion of educational equality as an aim is because folk got the vote on the basis of existing in our society irrespective of wealth and property or gender. If the franchise hadn't been extended would we have seen any of the great social developments of the twentieth century? NO. The vote was extended out of fear of disorder and rebellion not out of the goodness of David Cameron's ancestors sitting down and saying "How dreafully unfair all of this is, how can we get those working cless cheps a better world?"

End of ranting and as RIngo would say "Peace and Love, Peace and Love"


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 Post subject: Re: Tory conference
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:56 pm 
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I know a lot of people who gave the Liberals their vote last time because of they were anti-war and anti-tuition fees. But as they had sold out even before the ink had dried on their coalition pact with the devil, I think they will be finished at the next election.

I haven't voted Labour for the last couple of elections, giving my vote to fringe leftie parties. I just could not bring myself to vote for the Blairs and the Browns of this world – don't want my leaders trying to out Tory the Tories, I just was not brought up that way. But think I may go back to the fold this time, unless a more viable alternative emerges from the protests we are seeing. Think the reception that someone like Medhi Hasan got on QT shows that people want radical, they want an alternative that shouts its difference. Maybe something with happen either inside or outside Labour, here's hoping.

I have enjoyed this conversation – it's sort of a substitute for sitting in the pub, putting the world to rights. Don't do much of that these days, more's the pity, so it's been a breath of fresh air. And Nick, I have nothing but respect for the teachers for doing what you do and standing up for what you believe in. Have just finished a letter to the heads of my sons' schools, supporting the action they will be taking in London on the 17. More power to your elbow, son. xx


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