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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:26 pm 
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I'm torn between Lib Dem and Labour at the moment - still not fully decided but at the moment I'm leaning more towards a vote for the Lib Dems.

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I met Nick Clegg last month when I took some Y10s to London - very personable but a bit nervous, the 15 year olds ran rings around him - he was very 'nice' but spent most of the time glancing at his researcher to make sure what he was saying was appropriate. To his credit, he did give up time to talk to some of his future constituents... we also had a Q&A session with Richard Caborn - he was much more focused and not as he aptly described it 'a career politician' -

People have died to enable us to vote - it's something I feel we should do but the whole system seems tainted and politicans seem so far away from the real world I find it very worrying....


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i'm still not sure women should be allowed to vote, i'm pretty sure if i stood in the street burning my undergarments that i would have that right taken away..... also who will do dinner and the pots??!!

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Of course a case can be made for not voting, if you have no belief or faith in the parties standing or the people leading them. Why vote for something you don't believe in? I, however will be voting, probably for Brown, i still have some faith in the core values of the Labour Party. I see my vote as a vote against Cameron, against huge spending cuts on the NHS and Education. I also see my vote as a vote against the rascist scum-BNP, who are canvasing this town relentlessly and will rely on the general publics weariness of the main parties to gain ground.

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in favour of labour all the way.

i remember having a conversation with a colleague who lives in the ex council estate of wythenshawe.
whilst everyone else was whining in their pompous way about labour having lost its identity, she piped up with the fact that she's a single mum and that this party had made a huge difference to what she and her neighbours could afford to do for their kids.

brown has done more to help the poorest people in our society both as chancellor and leader.

yes i'm sure we can all point to mistakes and aberrations but no-one else would have even bothered to try.

lib dems aren't going to do it. too naive. their manifesto is like a sixth form essay.
torys will only make sure their mates stay rich. sod everyone else.

don't make the mistake of imagining someone else will do better. this is a capitalist world we live in, there's only so much you can do to make it fairer.

in my estimation, brown is the best bet.

let's face it, no-one on this forum is voting tory. just don't make the tactical error of splitting the vote and letting someone else in.

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Very well put Beaux Image

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beaux nidle wrote:
in favour of labour all the way.
brown has done more to help the poorest people in our society both as chancellor and leader.

Agree.


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Richard Hawley wrote:
nah its not apathy its just a lack of faith,i will vote of course


Am in a similar position to you. Have been a Labour voter all my life, as have my whole family. But I just can't vote for a party that took us into this war or who give bankers all our money but don't seem to have any control over what they do with it.
I had Labour knock on our door last week and I ended up getting the real hump with the middle-class university boy on the doorstep. He had the fucking cheek to start giving me the "if you don't vote Labour, you'll let the Tories in" shite. Like it's my fucking fault that they screwed up the biggest vote for Labour since 1945, like if I vote for someone else, I'm betraying myself somehow.
I'm really angry with them because it's them that have changed, not me. And they've left me with little or no alternative – I could never vote Tory and I don't buy the Lib Dems – I live in an area where they've actually been in charge of the council and they behaved like opportunist racists, opening the door for the country's first BNP councillor.
I am going to look at the Greens cos at least them seem to have leftist leanings. And I discovered http://www.tusc.org.uk/ which seems to be a trade union/socialist coalition but I don't think they're standing in many places.
And, sadly, whatever happens, whoever is elected, for those of us who work in the public sector, dark days are coming.


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I'd like to start a new party.....the dancin nana cantbearsed party. My agenda would be

the reintroduction of the 3 day week.

People who say 'whoop whoop' to be rounded up and put to work down the mines. (see if the fucking 'whoop whoop' then)

Abolishment on the tax on booze and tabs and put onto small yappy dogs, Ballet and diced coconut.

School leaving age to be raised to 40.

Banjo lessons on a Tuesday to be compulsory.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan and a new campaign launched against France to steal the cheese mountain and wine lake.



I'm definitely voting for this Dave.... the banjo lessons were the clincher for me.. :D but talking of spoiling the ballot paper , I really agree there should be a box for 'none of the above' talking of which..... http://www.zazzle.co.uk/bluepoles


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And, sadly, whatever happens, whoever is elected, for those of us who work in the public sector, dark days are coming.


I hear you there Helen, I work in Essex in social care and they're already investigating the possibility of privatising us... yes, you did read that correctly... they are 'consulting' with IBM to outsource us... so all services that look after our most vulnerable adults, the elderly, people with mental health problems, learning and physical disabilities are going to be run by a profit making organisation.. it makes me weep. I'm a member of Unison and they are trying to protest against this but sadly there is no way they can alter the march of 'progress'. If only i was one of those public sector workers who earns loads of money... sadly, they are known as 'senior management' and do not work on the coal face like we do. :cry:


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I'm on a bit of a roll here and should organise myself better, but this is just one of the reasons i won't be voting for Labour in this election, after a lifetime of support (well, since my first vote for Michael Foot in 1983...:oops:.)
http://bluepoles.co.uk/banks/


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I agree, ladyblue. That's what's so upsetting! All this privatisation was supposed to stop under Labour but it's only got worse. Could list the amount of services being run in our authority by private companies but, to be honest, it's too depressing. Cleaning companies cooking school meals; computer firms providing home helps. And all by paying the staff less money, delivering worse services and charging just a few quid less, that way Labour can say they're saving "the taxpayer" money.
My son was in hospital not too long ago, for quite a time. I got talking to the cleaner on the children's ward because I saw him every day. I asked him why, if he cleaned every day, was the place so filthy because, honestly, it was disgusting. He said that his company rationed the amount of cleaning fluid he could use in any one day and, try as he might, water just wouldn't get rid of some of the stains. And that company is the same one that now provides my son with his school dinner.
I don't think apathy is quite the right response to all this stuff – we should all be fucking fuming.


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interesting point that blue thingy website makes.

their point is basically, it's capitalism, what do you expect ?

i do believe the labour party was only trying to do what it could. if capitalism is the only game in town, what's the point in playing socialism ? that hasn't been electable for donkey's years. they dropped that when blair ditched clause 4.

if the banks had failed, we'd be in a worse state than we are already. great depression anyone ?

i'll still say that they did the best they could, and no, it's not good enough, but i'm not letting tories in.

realpolitik, not pie in the sky.

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helenwatson wrote:
I agree, ladyblue. That's what's so upsetting! All this privatisation was supposed to stop under Labour but it's only got worse.

.....and it won't get any better should a Tory government get in. For all their faults I'd still prefer to see Labour get in.


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Havenhand wrote:
.....and it won't get any better should a Tory government get in. For all their faults I'd still prefer to see Labour get in.


Yes, that is true. But I've voted for Labour my whole life on the basis that they'd be better than the Tories. What, kill a few less innocent women and children in the war; privatise the same number of services but try and do a headfuck on the hard working people who deliver those services, by saying they'd be more caring than Dave and his mob? I mean, come on. How many years are we going to get fooled by this shit? Vote Labour in the hope that they'll behave, only to discover that when they are in power, they just don't.
There's got to be more of a choice, somehow. At the turn of the last century, when there was no Labour Party, the same arguments were used. Those who were lucky enough to have the vote had no choice but to vote Liberal because that was the only alternative to the landowner and the rich. But, luckily, people ignored it and struck out for a party that represented their interests. Isn't it about time that a similar thing was done here? Isn't about time we all stopped voting Labour whilst holding our noses?
Sorry to be so abrupt but I'm so sick of people saying there are no choices. I mean, it shouldn't be beyond our collective intelligence to find one...


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